I built the FT Spitfire with the sole purpose of trying out the foam board from www.foamboards.com.au. This review will look at both and how they perform…
www.foamboards.com.au
I’d been looking at this company since I first discovered foam board as a building material. Down here in Australia we simply can’t get the $1 Adam’s Readi-board that is used at Flite Test HQ. There was also concerns about the weight of Australian foam board with some modellers stating they simply couldn’t build a flying model from the stock available down here.
I did a lot of research and it is true that Australian foam board generally uses foam core of a much higher density than Readi-board. It is possibly to get lighter board here but it can only be imported in the container load and that was something I simply couldn’t do!
Many of my models to this point have been made using board from Riot Art & Craft. The board isn’t that heavy but at $15 for an A0 size sheet (841 x 1189mm) it was far from cheap.
I eventually took the plunge about a month ago and ordered a 25 sheet box of white 5mm foam board from www.foamboards.com.au. The ordering process was easy and delivery was quick enough.
Cost here is the biggest issue. A 25 sheet box (1016 x 815mm) costs $178. The real problem though is shipping: due to the size of the box required to ship this size sheet they have a flat shipping rate of $30 in Australia. This remains the same if you order 5 or 25 sheets so obviously there are cost benefits to saving up and buying a big box at once (or clubbing together with some mates and ordering a box).
The board arrives packaged simply in a strong cardboard box. There was no major damage to any of the sheets and the boards were dry and flat.
Of course this still isn’t as cheap as Adam’s $1 Readi-board. It is however better than I am used to: Readi-board is half the size of the sheets I ordered to I get two for the price of one. Break my order down then and I am paying approximately $4 per FT size sheet. Not bad at all!
The Flite Test Spitfire
I ran a little poll on this site to see what readers would like to see me try the new board out on. The results were a tie between the FT Spitfire and FT Viggen.
There are going to be a number of people who are disappointed I haven’t built the Viggen but I had my reasons:
- EDFs require a lot of setting up and careful gear selection. The Viggen is a new model and I really wanted something a little more traditional that I could be sure I would get a good result from.
- The Spitfire is an “advanced” build but the Viggen is another step up in complexity. I didn’t want to chance making a mistake in the build that might be detrimental to the flight performance.
- I didn’t have the right size EDF sitting around in the workshop.
- I have a mate who really wants to fly a Spitfire!
I don’t think I really need to say a lot more about the FT Spitfire as a design. David Windestal has done an astonishing job of capturing the pivotal RAF fighter in a format that is easy to reproduce and has excellent flight qualities.
If you want to know more about the FT Spitfire or download the plans you can take a look at the articles on Flite Test:
Bringing the two together…
There was nothing astonishing about this build. I used my normal technique of laying the plan over a sheet of foam board and tracing through using a pin. The worst bit was all those curved edges that can only be cut freehand. The trick here is to be slow, steady, and try to cut the entire curve in a single slice.
The new foam board cuts as well as any I have used. It always pays to use a sharp blade and I use a mixture of scalpel, cheap snap-off “box cutter” style blades, and a couple of the new specialist cutting tools (which I found a lot cheaper at Cavalier Art Supplies).
I very soon had a big pile of parts and plugged the glue gun in to warm up for the build session.
The most important thing to know about building with Australian foam board is the denser foam won’t crease like you see it doing on the FT build videos. In fact, the Spitfire build video is the first to demonstrate the solution. You will need to score cut all folding lines (such as those in the wing) and then run a skewer or pen along the line to open them up a little and make the fold easier.
The wing is a great construction and it is easy to quickly create a smooth and strong dihedral wing.
I thought the fuselage was going to be a much tougher job but 20 minutes later I had the basic airframe complete. The design and tabs are so solid that the whole thing simple slots together. Even feeding the wing through and securing the tail straight was simple following the excellent build video.
I had decided from the outset that this would be a one-piece model so I didn’t even have to worry about the wing retaining blocks.
The biggest problem I had (and always have) is the power-pod. I’m still not entirely sold on the “swappable” idea. I like being able to remove the whole power unit for maintenance but I don’t think I will ever swap a unit between models during a flying session. In the Spitfire then I simply couldn’t get the pod to fit with the tabs in place. Fortunately removing these doesn’t actually change anything (once the skewer is in place) so I was still good to go.
Finishing off
I was a bit worried about the turtle decks and I never relish the thought of doing them. Once again though, the design was flawless and fitting the decks was an easy and painless process.
Hooking up the control surfaces and motor was merely a formality. I noticed the original used an NTM 2826 motor and having a few sitting around I fitted the same to this model.
The first thing I did after finishing the model was weigh it. The plans state an AUW (without battery) of 420g (15oz) – my model in its finished state came out at 480g (17oz). This was a very nice surprise as I expected a much heavier model and boded well for the test flights.
Time for a maiden flight…
I was desperate to try this one out so I ducked out between rain showers. The only addition I made was a couple of stickers and some reinforced tape to protect the belly and leading edges from the damp grass.
So, without further ado…
Basically, it was awesome!
The ending to the first flight was unfortunate but that can’t detract from the performance. The FT Spitfire flies like it’s on rails – even the victory roll looked authentic!
I will say that the NTM motor with the wooden 9×4 was gutless and has since been replaced with a 10×4.7 slowfly prop that has given much more thrust with only an 18A draw at the ESC.
Conclusion
Despite my initial misgivings about the product from foamboards.com.au I am no longer sorry I made the purchase. The board is as good as I have used at half the price of anything else I can source. It cuts well and builds well and as yet has shown no indication of de-laminating (like the considerably heavier and more expensive Quill board from Officeworks).
If you are looking for cheap Australian foam board and can afford the bulk buy then I would strongly urge you to get online and get some in…
You can learn more about Red20RC and the models I design, build and fly at www.red20rc.com.au
UPDATE!
I just tried to weigh the board I used for the build and by my calculations it came out at 0.29g sq/in (although I could be out a bit with the dodgy scales I used).
What's more important is that I took another look at the box it came in. The board I was supplied with is called "Antons NuCore" and to my surprise I was supplied with a 30 SHEET BOX for the price of 25. That brings the price down to $3.40 for a half sheet - woohoo!
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Floyd (the dog) is a Kelpie cross, which is an Australian working dog. Very intelligent and infinite energy. Sadly Floyd is barking(!) mad and anything that has a propeller or similar drives him insane so he loves to chase the planes up and down the strip when I fly them.
Thanks also for the article on the foam board cutting tools. I bought some part way through this build and used them for the fuselage. I wasn't sure at first but once I got used to them found the straight cutter in particular made life a lot easier and quicker on the long cuts.
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I think that is the benefit of our foam. It does take a hit well :-)
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I don't think Australian foam board will ever be good for the really light indoor type models as it is just that little bit heavier. On the plus side though, as most of us live near the coast it is often quite breezy and that extra weight helps to keep the model stable in bumpy conditions. Also the thicker paper and higher density foam means the models take a knock or two really well!
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I've planted (or nearly planted) so many models in my time on the maiden flight.
The best thing I can advise is get a friend to launch you for the maiden, whatever the plane. That way you can have both thumbs at the ready.
If you really do have to hand launch yourself it sometimes pays to put in a few clicks of up elevator trim for that first launch. It's better for a model to nose up rather than down in those first few moments!
But most important of all is check you balance is correct (nose heavy is better than tail heavy) and you throws all go the right way. Then double check everything! I've lost at least 3 good models in my time because I had the ailerons reversed :-(
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Following his measurements you are about spot on at .30 for the Aussie foam board and .19 for Adams Readiboard in the States. His measurement of the foamboards.com.au acid free that I used was .32.
I have to say at this point that my weighing was done on a cheap spring kitchen scale so the margin for error could be large and my 480g could be a fair bit heavier.
That said, the proof is in the flying and the Spitfire performed very well even when underpowered.
If I had the skills I would be interested in weighing the board I have as it does feel fairly light. I know from my research into the Chinese factories that it is possible to buy .19 this side of the world so maybe foamboards are importing lighter stuff now.
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My similarly scaled GeeBee Sportster;
http://flitetest.com/articles/geebee-sportster-swappable
weighs in at 860g with a 1500mah battery.
My original Baby Blender hybrid monoplane the TRIBEWT;
http://flitetest.com/articles/tribewt-maiden-baby-blender-monoplane-hybrid
weighs in at 685g with a 1000mah battery.
My evolved Old Fogey;
http://flitetest.com/articles/what-did-you-do-to-that-old-fogey
weighs in at 710g with a 1000mah battery, and in its biplane mode;
http://flitetest.com/articles/wing-envy-old-fogey-sesquiplane
it weighs 810grams with the 1000mah battery.
Unless you are using a 'tiny' motor then these planes will fly. The blue wonder flew my TRIBEWT well enough. Forget 3D, but it managed ground take-offs through grass no problem. When I started out I had no idea I was using heavier foam board, so had no 'expectation' the planes wouldn't fly. 99% of the time they flew fine. It is nice to get the build weight to a minimum, but slightly heavier foam board is not an obstacle to getting successful models.
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I just went out and bought some much more sensitive digital scales and did some weighing.
The Spitfire, in flying outfit with all the tape and stickers added came in at 520g. That's without a spinner that will be added later on.
The foam I used came in at 0.32g sq/in, which puts it at exactly the same weight (I think) as the sample in apnewton's article.
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*Mate = dude. Aussie speak.
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My original Bloody Wonder is made from Officeworks Quill board and it has never missed a beat. In fact, that the first ever video I uploaded to my YouTube channel was my BW being flown by a mate.
It is a shame about the shipping cost to Australia as I really wanted to get my hands on some FT multirotor gear :(
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Not sure I can agree that Depron is better - it's just different! I think both my videos and the videos of others prove that Australian foam board flies just fine. That said I do still build in Depron also when weight is going to be an issue.
I've always looked on the Baby Blender as the one that might cause a problem. Biplanes are always heavy - I'm remembering a World Models 40 size Ultimate I had many years ago that flew like a brick - I was so relieved when it eventually re-kitted itself.
I might have to build one when I get chance just to see what happens :-)
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Thank you
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You know, you might be onto something with the 3mm foam board.
The 5mm stuff here in Australia is pretty heavy so the 3mm might be just what we need! All I can say is give it a go and let us know!
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Thanks for the comment and sorry for the slow reply.
I did contact Antons way back about getting some board wholesale but never pursued it further. It would be interesting to take a look at the other board as if it is less dense and lighter it is probably closer to the FT DT foam board. $2.50 a sheet is amazing for Australia as well.
Keep going with the electrics. Scratch building with foam board is very addictive!
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Weight.
5mm is about 760g the B0 so 1 square inch is about 0.35g
3mm is about 660g the B0 so 1 square inch is about 0.30g (not much lighter but I think half the weight is the paper).
Depron 6mm is about 0.14g (no covering) but depron is VERY frigid breaks really easily have to be covered with tape all over and that is weight also.
But if I remove the paper from one side of the board then the weight goes down to 3/4 (little water helps a lot) if I remove on both sides than the weight is 1/2. And still a lot stronger than depron. So I think I will leave the paper on both sides at the wings and remove one side inside the plane to save some weight. or sometimes I can also use depron (which I don't really like)
I also think that our heavier material is probably stronger than whet they use in the US so it might be not such a big problem. Thanks...
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Please let me know your findings.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuqpSlXtHoI
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